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Intro (00:04):
Trailblazers in research, innovators in technology, and those who simply have a good story: all make up the fabric that is Â鶹ÊÓƵ, where taking on the grand challenges that face our students, graduates, and higher education is our mission and our passion. Hosted by Â鶹ÊÓƵ President Gregory Washington, this is the Access to Excellence podcast.

President Gregory Washington (00:27):
The world is changing. Virginia and the nation require institutions that can rapidly align the next generation workforce with the evolving needs of the economy and our communities. More is already demanded of this generation than any before them. We have no choice but to prepare them for a task that is nothing short of saving the world. At George Â鶹ÊÓƵ, we call it advancing 21st century education for all. It's one of the key pillars of our Grand Challenge initiative, and I can't think of a better person to talk to us about it than our guest. Dr. Ingrid Guerra-López, dean of George Â鶹ÊÓƵ's College of Education and Human Development, Dean Guerra-López, welcome to the show.

Ingrid Guerra-López (01:22):
Thank you. It's a pleasure to be here. Thanks for having me.

President Gregory Washington (01:25):
Well, let me start high level here. Where does your passion for education come from?

Ingrid Guerra-López (01:32):
So, it, it actually, I would say maybe doesn't come quite from education, it comes from learning. I've always been really drawn to asking questions, to needing to understand how things connect, just overall general inquiry and curiosity, you know, how things fit together. And so learning to me is ultimately what the promise of education is. Learning in itself, it, it's intrinsically valuable. It expands us. It, it deepens our judgment. Uh, it fuels so many other things. And education is one of those means. It's one of the many pathways through which learning can occur. We can learn through so many ways: on our own, through reflection and experience, uh, informally in our communities, through family, through our work, vicariously by watching others, and through that formal educational system. So I think it's, it's really important to distinguish the education from the actual point of it, which is learning and growth.

President Gregory Washington (02:29):
You got teachers and you have learners, right?

Ingrid Guerra-López (02:31):
That's right.

President Gregory Washington (02:32):
So, before we talk a bit about the future in the 21st century, talk to me a little bit about the current status of the education system, right? What are our streams, what are our current challenges? And there are very few areas more maligned in, in my opinion, than education, especially, especially at the K-12 level in the country. And so, talk to me a little bit about where we are currently positioned.

Ingrid Guerra-López (02:58):
Yeah, I, I do think that we do have a deep commitment for equity and for access. And there's a, a genuine sustained effort across states and districts to expand access. And whether it's through early childhood programs or inclusive special education services or college access pathways, you know, even support for multilingual learners. We've expanded who education is for, and that matters enormously. Now, the next step is really ensuring that access translates into meaningful opportunity and high quality learning experiences for everybody, for every learner. So I think that's one really important strength that we, we have right now. I think that there are also extraordinary, uh, innovation pockets across the country. Uh, we know that educators are experimenting boldly, whether it's through problem-based learning or competency-based progression, industry partnerships, AI-assisted instruction. There's a lot of things that are going well in terms of innovation. The challenge isn't a lack of innovation, it's that innovation is often localized.

Ingrid Guerra-López (04:04):
It's isolated in pockets rather than scaled system-wide. So I would say that that's really important. I would also highlight that the research base is fairly strong. We know more than ever before, um, how children learn. We know about brain development, uh, motivation and engagement, effective feedback, et cetera. The learning sciences and human development research base is, it's pretty robust. That's part of the work that we do through our partnerships at the College of Education and Human Development. One of our really exciting initiatives is a research practice partnership ERA•NOVA, our Educational Research Alliance of Northern Virginia, where we engage with over 20 school divisions across the region and beyond connecting research directly to district level practice, especially this year around AI readiness.

President Gregory Washington (04:54):
So you gave me a lot of the strengths, and you talked about scalability. I see that as being a challenge. Mm-hmm <affirmative>. But if we know how to do this right, if our research has given us more insight than ever before, we, we have all of this positive, why do we not have better educational outcomes, especially at the K-12 level?

Ingrid Guerra-López (05:18):
So there's, there's a couple of things. I think our educators are represent an interesting variable, because on the one hand, the resiliency of those educators are, um, it's a strength, right? They've shown us that they can navigate a, a, a global pandemic, um, rapid technological change, et cetera. But at the same time, we're seeing more teacher burnout and issues with retention than ever before. We're asking them to be all things to all people, instructional designers, and data analysts, and technology integrators, and social workers. All the things without systematically redesigning workload, support structures, compensation. And preparation alone is not enough, right? You need that induction and that support and the mentorship and the professional growth systems that, that have to evolve with it. So that's why modernizing educator preparation and building stronger support pipelines is so central. So what I'm getting at is really that, that we have a structural mismatch. Our current system was largely optimized for predictable career pathways and content transmission and standardized pacing, like all of the things of the industrial area workforce required. Today's economy though, requires more, uh, adaptability and continuous learning. It requires comfort with a certain level of ambiguity, and it also requires us to think across different disciplines. So we're still organized around seat time and subject silos, while the world rewards problem solvers right across different boundaries. So, um, I don't know if it's a, a failure as much as it's a structural lag.

President Gregory Washington (07:02):
Structural lags unimplemented manifest themselves to the broader public as failures, right?

Ingrid Guerra-López (07:09):
Yeah.

President Gregory Washington (07:09):
Yeah. So let's back up for a second. You, you hear these calls of reform, you hear these calls of rethinking college education. Where does the call come from the loudest?

Ingrid Guerra-López (07:21):
I think it comes from, uh, different people, from everybody, really, but for different reasons, right? So you have employers who want graduates who can navigate complexity and technology and, and, and change. Understandably, families want return on investment and a good quality of life for their graduates. Governments want workforce alignment and economic competitiveness, right? They want our educational systems to be aligned with that. Students just want relevance. You, you go into a classroom at any level and you hear students asking you like, how does this connect to the real world? You know, what will I do with this? They don't reject rigor. They reject irrelevance. Right? And then you have industries like healthcare and technology sectors who want interdisciplinary thinkers, because those fields are evolving so quickly that narrow specializations aren't enough. They want engineers who understand ethics. They want healthcare professionals who understand data. They want leadership who can translate between disciplines, you know, and technologists who understand human behavior.

President Gregory Washington (08:29):
If I were to now ask the real question, the big question, you know, we're sitting in the 21st century, right? We largely have a 20th century educational framework. Uh, classes today aren't taught that much differently than what they were taught in 1999. Uh, we, we had electronic means of delivering content, and that was incorporated into our world. Fast forward, we have the most disruptive technology of our generation. Artificial intelligence has now moved beyond the laboratory, beyond the application of a few people who are on the bleeding edge to really being mainstream. Right? Right. Now, 50% of American households use AI in some form. It's about as mainstream as you can get. So what should 21st century education look like at different levels? So from early childhood through doctoral programs, what should it look like? Put your crystal ball on.

Ingrid Guerra-López (09:34):
Yes. Yes. Love to bring out my crystal ball. So, I, I think at those, uh, very early years and early childhood, it's really critical to cultivate curiosity, play-based problem solving. And of course, you, you wanna integrate with early digital literacy, right? Not just screen time, but digital understanding.

President Gregory Washington (09:55):
So, unpack that. It sounds intriguing. What does that actually look like?

Ingrid Guerra-López (10:00):
It's really, um, understanding what the technology is, right? Where, how algorithms work and, and again, at a developmentally appropriate way, you know, making a distinction between, you know, real world connection and what you might get out of the, the technology. It, it's a, it's a lot of different things. They're born into a generation where, um, technology all around them. So understanding what it does well, what it doesn't do well, that early discernment about how technology can help, but what the limitations are as well. I think that there are other things, right? So we, we, we tend to talk about technology and technology being such a disruptor, but, but there are also those uniquely human skills that are just as critical. Uh, and so as you think of the progression through K 12, the project-based learning is really important because it builds in that relevance, and it really does create an environment where you have to integrate knowledge, different subject matters into a coherent project that's tied to a, a real world authentic environment.

Ingrid Guerra-López (11:13):
So, you know, even in stem, it, it needs to be applied, right? Like, what community problem are you solving? Uh, and again, that AI literacy that's appropriate at, at every level. And, and really critically, again, I would have emphasize that it's that real world problem solving tied to community challenges. That's something that, you know, is so integral to what, what Â鶹ÊÓƵ does. And I think that that's really critical. As we move through undergraduate, again, the interdisciplinary learning is really critical. Industry connected experience is one of the things that we try to do at our college is, you know, engage our students in sometimes as many as, as two different kinds of internships or applied learning experiences in workplaces or in those kind of environments, because it's so critical. The data literacy, you know, whether they're gonna go on to work in a classroom or any other setting, we live in these highly technology-integrated, uh, data-rich environments.

Ingrid Guerra-López (12:15):
And the, the data literacy is, is really critical. And just like the technology piece is important, the ethical reasoning is important, right? It's, it's not just the use of technology. It's ethical reasoning around technology. And, and we know from, there's a really interesting survey that is deployed every three years by the World Economic Forum, and they survey employers across the globe, um, every three years or so. And, you know, those, the skills that they consistently have at the top as desirable for global employers continues to be those transferable skills, right? So adaptability, critical thinking, communication, systems thinking. So that has to be embedded, uh, in our undergraduate curriculum all the way through our, our graduate, um, stages with systems thinking and research to impact pipelines. Again, I think one of the things that's unique and a great strength of George Â鶹ÊÓƵ is that we really focus on research of consequence. That there is an immediate sort of transdisciplinary approach to what we do in that we work closely with the community. We work on societal challenges that matter to our communities. And so that has to be a critical environment through which we, we teach at the graduate level or at the doctoral level, those research skills that are, you know, really tied in that, uh, problem of practice.

President Gregory Washington (13:40):
But you walk in the classroom of today, and those young people are living in a half virtual half real environment, right? They're on their phones when they go home, they're on their iPads, they're on their laptops, and the like. They're literally interfacing with ai. AI is a helper for them. They're asking it questions, they're engaged with it. They are already there, right? And so what does educating this next generation of educators look like so that they can actually engage with young people at that level? Because it can't be traditional, it cannot be the way you and I learned, because the young people, aren't they, we didn't have the tools. We didn't have the tools that they had. I remember hours in stacks, right, in the library. Or I remember getting online and spending hours with Google searches, and they're not using Google searches anymore. They go right to the answer and to the references in a very quick way just by knowing how to properly prompt or do they, right? So these are the kinds of things that I'm trying to see where we are in terms of educating the next generation of educators who have to teach to students who have these tools.

Ingrid Guerra-López (15:06):
Yeah, no, absolutely. Right? If, if we're serious about preparing students for a rapidly changing world, then that means we have to start with the adults who guide them, and, and that's our teachers. So modernizing education begins with modernizing the teaching profession in a lot of ways. And, you know, today's teachers are not, they're not just content experts or deliverers. It's a complex professional operating and dynamic environment. So I think, you know, education today and for the next, uh, generation of educators, uh, they're, you know, clearly instructional designers because the content isn't enough and a textbook is not really enough. They're designing learning experiences that are integrating many of those elements that I, I, I talked about, right? Whether it's project-based learning and then technology tools in a purposeful way, or interdisciplinary content applied right in real world problems. They have to understand how to scaffold learning how to potentially use those technology tools to differentiate instruction, how to potentially use those AI tools to develop meaningful performance based assessments.

Ingrid Guerra-López (16:19):
So that's one component of, you know, what they're now having to do in this next generation. But again, going back to the data-rich environments that also have to be data interpreters, right? We know that classrooms are increasingly data-rich environments, and teachers have to be able to interpret assessment results, identify learning patterns, and adjust instruction in real times in many ways. So that, that data fluency, it's not just about spreadsheets, it's about instructional decision making. The technology component, right? They have to be technology integrators. It's not as an add-on. It's embedded in, as you were saying, in describing how students learn and how they work and how they live. So teachers need to understand when technology enhances learning and when it distracts from it, you know, there have been many instances where in some cases, technologies were integrated in the classroom. I'm thinking of the, the smart board, for example. And then they sat there as symbols of progress, but there wasn't any support in many cases provided to teachers to take advantage of the technology, not only to enhance teaching practices, but to enhance learning outcomes and to model for students how to use technology effectively. So, so they have to now know how to integrate AI tools responsibly and how to help maintain academic integrity while at the same time embracing innovation. And, and that's a balance.

President Gregory Washington (17:51):
This is where I, I want to have a, a more lengthy discussion, right? Should our teachers educate our students in how to effectively develop and utilize prompts so that they can properly interface and engage with a large language model.

Ingrid Guerra-López (18:12):
So AI is, is a lot of things, right? There's a, certainly a, a literacy component to it, just as far as understanding what it is. And it, it, it's also a tool in that it helps them apply learning sciences.

President Gregory Washington (18:27):
Yeah. But it, but it has a language. And that's the thing. So, so, you know, I tell people all the time, if you get on your computer, you give it a PDF of a paper or of a book, and you say, review this book for me, and give me, and give me your summary of it. I would contend to them that that is an improper way to use AI, right? But it's the way in which people engage and interact with it, right? But they're not really speaking the language of how the computer, which AI is really giving you your answers based on associations. It associates the, the words that you write with specific sets of other words and other outcomes that it knows. So if you don't want it to hallucinate or give you things that are really, shouldn't be part of the question in which you ask it, you actually need to take care of that in how you ask it, right?

President Gregory Washington (19:26):
You need to start to focus the large language model to a general framework, a general area that's involved with the document or that, that you've given it. You need to tell it who it is, so it knows where to pull prerequisite information to help it do the identifications that are necessary to get your answer, right. So one example is you have a person do a general prompt. You give them a, the same book, you have them do a general prompt where they ask it, summarize this for me, blah, blah, blah. And let's say it's on physics, you know, it's on electromagnetics. I'm, I'm sorry, I'm giving you an engineering scenario.

Ingrid Guerra-López (20:10):
It's, it's okay.

President Gregory Washington (20:10):
But let's say it's on electromagnetics and you say, summarize this book on electromagnetics. That's one way, another way to say is, you are the foremost electromagnetics physicists in the world. Your research is on blank relative to electromagnetics. Take this book, summarize it. Give me relative feedback with emphasis on A, D, C, D and E. I'm gonna get a very different set of outcomes that I've gotten with just a straight summarize this. Yeah. Right? And because our young people are gonna be interfacing in dealing with young people who are gonna be interfacing with this technology, to me, it's critical that they know how to do it. People are gonna use it. So you, you better learn, they better know how to use it in the most efficient way, in the most efficient mechanism possible. Right? And so we're still debating whether it's cheating or not, and we really should be about how do you best employ it to give you an advantage over the other folk who are still debating whether it should even be used or not. Right? Because to me, that ship is kind of sailed.

Ingrid Guerra-López (21:24):
Oh, absolutely, absolutely. What you are describing, so I mentioned earlier, AI is a lot of different things, right? It can be seen as a tool, as a career pathway, uh, as a disruptor. But to me, you're describing AI as a literacy, right? It's something that students must understand. We teach reading and writing because literacy empowers agency and AI literacy is gonna serve a similar function. Um, students and educators both need to understand how AI systems are trained, where bias can enter, what hallucinations are, how to verify an AI generated output, or what ethical boundaries really matter as you create your prompt or as you think about how to engage with AI and how data privacy works as well. So without that kind of literacy, I definitely agree. Like we risk creating passive consumers of, of technology instead of informed critical users.

President Gregory Washington (22:27):
You know, we have very, very highly regarded education programs here at George Â鶹ÊÓƵ from special ed to education leadership. And so what makes Â鶹ÊÓƵ stand out as an education institution in your mind?

Ingrid Guerra-López (22:41):
Yeah, I think, um, and I mentioned this a little bit earlier, I think the fact that we have such strong ties to our community and our educational partners, we're working in real problems of practice that our school partners see as, as priorities. One of the, the really exciting initiatives that I mentioned our ERA•NOVA partnership. We're really approaching, even AI, for example, not, not from a high perspective, but working directly with our, uh, school division leaders to define what readiness actually means. Whatever your subject matter is, it's gonna be relevant a across the different, uh, content areas of teaching. So we're asking things like, you know, what competencies should teachers have in an AI enabled classroom? Um, and, and, you know, responsible classroom integration look like. What, what is that? How do we balance innovation with student safety? Um, how do we actually even know whether AI is improving learning?

Ingrid Guerra-López (23:46):
So one of the things that, um, we are doing as a result of that collaboration is identifying very specifically the kind of skills that we should be embedding across all of our educational programs across all of our teacher preparation programs, whether it's in special education or early childhood education, or secondary education, because that's just going to be part of the job. I've heard some alarmist kind of warnings that, you know, AI is going to, uh, eliminate teachers, and that just simply isn't true. We've been hearing those concerns for a long time. We heard it, you know, with the radio and the television and the internet and the cell phones <laugh>, what it's going to do is elevate the teaching profession, right? Because if you look at not just the teaching profession, but all professions, it is fundamentally changing the way in which you work, the actual critical tasks that are required, how well you do it. So it is, uh, in my opinion, going to elevate. So I think that's one of the things that's really unique about us. It's that integration between research and practice. It, we don't just stay at the theory of things, but we're using research and, uh, research capacity and theory to work with our educational partners and the educational community to, to address real challenges.

President Gregory Washington (25:13):
So if I were to ask you who's actually successfully making this change and adapting as you've highlighted here, who, who's doing that at George Â鶹ÊÓƵ?

Ingrid Guerra-López (25:25):
You mean across our educational programs or?

President Gregory Washington (25:27):
Yeah.

Ingrid Guerra-López (25:27):
Yeah. I, I think I, like I said, I think we're, we're all doing it that ERA•NOVA that research practice partnership, we have faculty across many programs, including educational leadership who are really vested in working. We have, uh, a couple of faculty right now. We, we were successful in, uh, obtaining a global data sharing agreement with a couple of our school divisions. And what we did is we prioritized the areas of interest of those school partners. So we already have faculty in the college testing out AI tools to enhance math instruction and literacy instruction. And that's huge because it, it, you know, it requires for the school division to have a lot of trust in us. And so we're, that's just the, the kind of, I think, work that we're doing in partnership with our school divisions to, to modernize the teaching profession.

President Gregory Washington (26:25):
These technologies are gonna solve some significant problems for us. I, I do believe, as you highlighted that the teaching profession isn't going away. What I caution is stating that it's not going to have to radically change, right? You can interface with a teacher who understands many of the great works of Shakespeare, right? Or you can interface with a bot that has read every great work on any subject and can correlate it, right? And so how does that professor engage with a student that has access to that tool, right? Because in some instances, the, the, the, the, the tool, the technology actually has a greater knowledge base and is able to synthesize that knowledge base better than the professor. The tool itself has the ability to synthesize and bring information together. And, and, and for lack of a better way of saying this, and almost like a human-like manner. So we have to teach people how to find their place in that environment. And I think that that's critical and non-trivial, right? I know we have people thinking about this and working on this here. Do you have some examples of any programs that are utilizing that?

Ingrid Guerra-López (28:01):
I guess I would kind of take us a little further back. It's not about content, right? The role of an educator. It requires that human judgment. We can't compete with the knowledge generation, the analysis, in some cases, the synthesis, but that's not the value of an educator, right? It's really that human connection. It's that mentorship, it's discernment. It's very subtle art of recognizing when a student is struggling. It's the human connection. It is the helping to love to learn, to engage with learning on an ongoing basis. That's the challenge is right now, we're, and you know, lots of folks are, are talking about this. We're, we're educating students for a world that we probably can't even imagine.

President Gregory Washington (28:53):
No, that's right. Right? But, but I contend to you that we've always educated young people for worlds that they could not imagine. Right? I remember we were educating people in the early and mid-2000s for an explosion of wireless and internet of things based technologies that hit long before these young, we didn't know what those technologies were gonna look like, right? But we graduated young people who can interface and, and engage with them. And so I think you're hitting the nail right on the head with this whole piece of leaning into that human connectedness part, right? My, the best teachers, uh, the best teachers that I've had throughout my career have been people who could do that, right? Who could look at you and see your strengths in your development cycle, who could see your weaknesses, right? And they didn't do that by, uh, a test per se. They did this by discerning, they did this by watching you engage and seeing, you know, it could be where you stopped your pencil as you were writing. It could be the look that was on your face as you were engaging, right? It could just be the feeling that they got from engaging with you on a specific issue or on a specific problem, right? Those pieces are, in my opinion, uniquely human.

Ingrid Guerra-López (30:30):
That's right.

President Gregory Washington (30:31):
And we have to figure out how to emphasize them and lean into the tools.

Ingrid Guerra-López (30:39):
That's right.

President Gregory Washington (30:40):
You, you, you get what I mean.

Ingrid Guerra-López (30:41):
Absolutely.

President Gregory Washington (30:42):
That is the solution. That's, that is, or at least, that's the solution right now, <laugh>,

Ingrid Guerra-López (30:47):
Right? That that's right. We, because don't be because we

President Gregory Washington (30:49):
Don't know what the future's gonna look like.

Ingrid Guerra-López (30:49):
That's right. We, we don't know what the new thing will be. And so regardless of the change and the, regardless of, of the tools that come along, right? What we're really trying to promote is adaptability. And again, change is always, it, it's only accelerating, right? So we don't have the luxury of looking away and saying, well, I don't like technology and I don't like the AI thing, or whatever the technology might be. And just say, well, I'm not gonna engage. The world has moved on, right? So I think one of the critical things that is gonna be really important for educators and, and educational systems is to promote the ability for students to engage in lifelong learning and adaptability 'cause that is always going to be a constant requirement.

President Gregory Washington (31:37):
So let me ask you this, because you, you clearly are, uh, as an educator, you're gonna have to deal with humanist on the, the ethical values of what you teach and what you don't teach, right? And so how can classical liberal arts education evolve to meet the needs of these 21st century students and workers and employees and employers, right? How do we evolve the classical liberal arts framework in order to meet that need?

Ingrid Guerra-López (32:09):
Yeah. I, I think, you know, it's just as important as it's, as it has always been. Um, I think, you know, we want to, um, leverage, you know, the logic, the logical reasoning that comes from, from philosophy and, you know, the history, uh, patterns right across history. So I, I think they're just as relevant as before, but I think like everything else, it has to evolve and we have to do, uh, a better job of applying those insights, right? Like to me, liberal arts as, as someone who navigated philosophy and English and psychology, uh, in my undergrad, I have found those skills to be so critical to everything I do. And so I, I think it's just making sure that we're taking it a step further and that we are using the liberal arts in a way that's applied, and that is clearly relevant. I, I think it's relevant, but as educators, I think we need to do a better job of, of making that connection. But, you know, as I said, again, this whole idea of, uh, critical thinking, um, and, uh, collaboration and insight, those are all things that I think our liberal arts are, are really good at helping us develop.

President Gregory Washington (33:30):
If you were talking to a young person right now, somebody just graduating out of high school and entering into the profession, you say, I want to be a teacher. Teachers really impacted me my entire life. And that's where I see myself having the greatest impact as a human. And that young person was looking at you, what are three things you would tell that person to make sure you do now while you're going through your educational framework in order to make you a, an effective teacher going forward?

Ingrid Guerra-López (34:08):
I definitely think that I would ask them to model adaptability, right? To make sure that as you enter the teaching profession, that you're aware that students are also looking at you and how well you embrace change. So I think that's one critical thing. Also, this idea that, that I mentioned before around problem-based learning is really critical. The world needs problem solvers, right? Ethical problem solvers that regardless of the workplace or context can work with others to solve complex problems. And so embedding that in the learning environment and in the learning experiences is, is really critical. So I, I think those are some of the critical things that I would make sure that they know is, is essential for an effective teacher.

President Gregory Washington (34:59):
Given where you sit as a leader and an administrator, right? And you're leading now cohorts of faculty, what do you tell them about how this disruption that's coming from AI, this, this change that's coming to the profession, what do you tell them about what they should be doing right now to adapt and to coexist with these technologies as they evolve?

Ingrid Guerra-López (35:29):
Experiment, right? I think one of the things that, that we're working on in the college is to have, or to develop an AI and other kind of emerging technologies tinkering lab where people are in an environment where they can explore and they can tinker and they can try out tools, whether it's with, uh, with fellow educators or, you know, a space for other, for educational leaders as well. There's on both ends of the spectrum in some, in some cases, a lot of fear about safety and the implications of using it. And then the other hand, very eager, uh, folk who want to use it and think it's the tool for all the, the problems. And so I think just having that community space for educators to explore, to experiment, to ask questions, to break things, to say, well, what happens if we do this? And, and to make that part of the learning experience, I think that's only going to reduce the fear and anxiety of the unknown.

President Gregory Washington (36:29):
Well, this is all good stuff, and the kind of thing that positions us well for the future. What do you tell your fellow deans, you know, some of which are really struggling with this technology, and you are kind of at the forefront of it, because outside of computer science, it probably affects your discipline more than any other.

Ingrid Guerra-López (36:50):
Yeah. I mean, we certainly talk, uh, I think as leaders often about, you know, how the implications of AI in the university and, and of course the workplace as well. I, I think, you know, what I would reiterate with my colleagues is that there is no one area that isn't impacted by the shifts in technology, whether it's AI or whatever comes after every single career, every single sector, every single space and community is being impacted by technology in one way or the other. And so we have a responsibility to understand if that's already changed our communities, and it's gonna change it even further. How do we adapt the preparation that we provide those students during the time they're with us to make sure that they're capable and ready to shape and contribute in that kind of world?

President Gregory Washington (37:47):
That's it. Well, we're gonna have to leave it there. Ingrid, thank you for sharing your vision and leadership with the educators of our future. I'm George Â鶹ÊÓƵ president Gregory Washington. Thanks for listening. And tune in next time for more conversations that show why we are all together different.

Outro (38:16):
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